2 |O # O O # # # . . . . . . . . . # . .| 2 B # 89 E2 1 |. # # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 1 W # 88 D2 A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T Game is titled: The 67th Honinbo Title Matches 2nd game Iyama Tengen Honinbo #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] b gotta make this work #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] L11 at last :) #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] he gave up 25 pts for it #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] m8? #> Kibitz mitsun [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] n10, all chips in? #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] :) #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] lol #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] i can dig #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] I can't read it through... #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] me niether #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] but it looks like fun #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] true, Yamashita is the kind of pro that would go for the kill #> Game 140 (I): mainichi [ NR] vs mainichi [ NR] A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T H-cap 0 Komi 6.5 19 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 19 Captured by #: 1 18 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 18 Captured by O: 6 17 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 17 16 |. . . O . . . . . + . . . . . # . . .| 16 Wh Time 0:00 15 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 15 Bl Time 0:00 14 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 14 13 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 13 Last Move: M10 12 |. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .| 12 #99 # (Black) 11 |. . . # O O . . # O # . . . . . . . .| 11 10>|. . . # # # O O O # O>#<. . . + . . .|<10 W # 98 K12 9 |. . . . . . # . O # . O . . . . . . .| 9 B # 97 L11 8 |. O . . . # . # . # . . . # . # . . .| 8 W # 96 J10 7 |O . O O . # O . # . . O . . O . . . .| 7 B # 95 J11 6 |. O . O . . # O . . O O # # # . . . .| 6 W # 94 K11 5 |. . . O O O O . # # # O . # O . O . .| 5 B # 93 K10 4 |O O O # O # . . . # O O . # . O . . .| 4 W # 92 A4 3 |. O # # # O O O O # # O . . # # O O .| 3 B # 91 K9 2 |O # O O # # # . . . . . . . . . # . .| 2 W # 90 B6 1 |. # # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 1 B # 89 E2 A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T Game is titled: The 67th Honinbo Title Matches 2nd game Iyama Tengen Honinbo #> Kibitz mitsun [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] peaceful alternative :) #> Game 140 (I): mainichi [ NR] vs mainichi [ NR] A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T H-cap 0 Komi 6.5 19 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 19 Captured by #: 1 18 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 18 Captured by O: 6 17 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 17 16 |. . . O . . . . . + . . . . . # . . .| 16 Wh Time 0:00 15 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 15 Bl Time 0:00 14 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 14 13 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 13 Last Move: L9 12 |. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .| 12 #100 O (White) 11 |. . . # O O . . # O # . . . . . . . .| 11 10 |. . . # # # O O O # O # . . . + . . .| 10 B # 99 M10 9>|. . . . . . # . O #>O Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] b N10 #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] closing w in #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] yea #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] b going for the kill makes k8 very important #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] which makes w j8 very tricky #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] but w H2 still sente... #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] yes... the J8-K7 aji is essential now #> Game 140 (I): mainichi [ NR] vs mainichi [ NR] A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T H-cap 0 Komi 6.5 19 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 19 Captured by #: 1 18 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 18 Captured by O: 6 17 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 17 16 |. . . O . . . . . + . . . . . # . . .| 16 Wh Time 0:00 15 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 15 Bl Time 0:00 14 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 14 13 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 13 Last Move: N10 12 |. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .| 12 #101 # (Black) 11 |. . . # O O . . # O # . . . . . . . .| 11 10>|. . . # # # O O O # O #>#<. . + . . .|<10 W #100 L9 9 |. . . . . . # . O # O O . . . . . . .| 9 B # 99 M10 8 |. O . . . # . # . # . . . # . # . . .| 8 W # 98 K12 7 |O . O O . # O . # . . O . . O . . . .| 7 B # 97 L11 6 |. O . O . . # O . . O O # # # . . . .| 6 W # 96 J10 5 |. . . O O O O . # # # O . # O . O . .| 5 B # 95 J11 4 |O O O # O # . . . # O O . # . O . . .| 4 W # 94 K11 3 |. O # # # O O O O # # O . . # # O O .| 3 B # 93 K10 2 |O # O O # # # . . . . . . . . . # . .| 2 W # 92 A4 1 |. # # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 1 B # 91 K9 A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T Game is titled: The 67th Honinbo Title Matches 2nd game Iyama Tengen Honinbo #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] w H2 followed by w K7.. seems bad for b #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] H2-G1 still gives b K2 to connect left or right #> Kibitz mitsun [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] if w loses j8 liberty, b has g11 cut, dangerous for w also #> #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] i see #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] well this is pretty exciting #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] w seems dead at the bottom #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] so must cut and try to kill the D10 stones #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] u mean w dead in bottom R? #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] M3 I mean #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] or in the middle #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] bottom-right is alive #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] ahh #> Kibitz Mccallaway [ 2k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] W has J8 no? #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] yes, he will use that #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] yes #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] seems L9 was a mistake #> Kibitz bf3 [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] w h2 #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] doesnt w k7 capture either k8 or k5? #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] no, due to b K2 #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] K2 connects to either left or right #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] ah yes #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] but wait #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] so if b captures m3 group and w captures d11 group, who's ahead #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] wouldnt k2 make semai #> #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] cause if b connect with j2 after w m2 #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] he can make 2 i's in the corner? #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] cant* #> Kibitz maulakai [ 6k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] for all the marbles #> #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] that analysis seems plausible nick #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] ty #> Kibitz Quiller [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] k7? #> Kibitz mitsun [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] j8 is better cut than k7 #> Kibitz mitsun [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] but looks to me like b will not die #> #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] i can't see a way out for w #> Game 140 (I): mainichi [ NR] vs mainichi [ NR] A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T H-cap 0 Komi 6.5 19 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 19 Captured by #: 1 18 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 18 Captured by O: 6 17 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 17 16 |. . . O . . . . . + . . . . . # . . .| 16 Wh Time 0:00 15 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 15 Bl Time 0:00 14 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 14 13 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 13 Last Move: J8 12 |. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .| 12 #102 O (White) 11 |. . . # O O . . # O # . . . . . . . .| 11 10 |. . . # # # O O O # O # # . . + . . .| 10 B #101 N10 9 |. . . . . . # . O # O O . . . . . . .| 9 W #100 L9 8>|. O . . . # . #>O<# . . . # . # . . .|< 8 B # 99 M10 7 |O . O O . # O . # . . O . . O . . . .| 7 W # 98 K12 6 |. O . O . . # O . . O O # # # . . . .| 6 B # 97 L11 5 |. . . O O O O . # # # O . # O . O . .| 5 W # 96 J10 4 |O O O # O # . . . # O O . # . O . . .| 4 B # 95 J11 3 |. O # # # O O O O # # O . . # # O O .| 3 W # 94 K11 2 |O # O O # # # . . . . . . . . . # . .| 2 B # 93 K10 1 |. # # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 1 W # 92 A4 A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T Game is titled: The 67th Honinbo Title Matches 2nd game Iyama Tengen Honinbo #> Game 140 (I): mainichi [ NR] vs mainichi [ NR] A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T H-cap 0 Komi 6.5 19 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 19 Captured by #: 1 18 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 18 Captured by O: 6 17 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 17 16 |. . . O . . . . . + . . . . . # . . .| 16 Wh Time 0:00 15 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 15 Bl Time 0:00 14 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 14 13 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 13 Last Move: K7 12 |. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .| 12 #103 # (Black) 11 |. . . # O O . . # O # . . . . . . . .| 11 10 |. . . # # # O O O # O # # . . + . . .| 10 W #102 J8 9 |. . . . . . # . O # O O . . . . . . .| 9 B #101 N10 8 |. O . . . # . # O # . . . # . # . . .| 8 W #100 L9 7>|O . O O . # O . #>#<. O . . O . . . .|< 7 B # 99 M10 6 |. O . O . . # O . . O O # # # . . . .| 6 W # 98 K12 5 |. . . O O O O . # # # O . # O . O . .| 5 B # 97 L11 4 |O O O # O # . . . # O O . # . O . . .| 4 W # 96 J10 3 |. O # # # O O O O # # O . . # # O O .| 3 B # 95 J11 2 |O # O O # # # . . . . . . . . . # . .| 2 W # 94 K11 1 |. # # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 1 B # 93 K10 A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T Game is titled: The 67th Honinbo Title Matches 2nd game Iyama Tengen Honinbo #> Game 140 (I): mainichi [ NR] vs mainichi [ NR] A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T H-cap 0 Komi 6.5 19 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 19 Captured by #: 1 18 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 18 Captured by O: 6 17 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 17 16 |. . . O . . . . . + . . . . . # . . .| 16 Wh Time 0:00 15 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 15 Bl Time 0:00 14 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 14 13 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 13 Last Move: H7 12 |. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .| 12 #104 O (White) 11 |. . . # O O . . # O # . . . . . . . .| 11 10 |. . . # # # O O O # O # # . . + . . .| 10 B #103 K7 9 |. . . . . . # . O # O O . . . . . . .| 9 W #102 J8 8 |. O . . . # . # O # . . . # . # . . .| 8 B #101 N10 7>|O . O O . # O>O<# # . O . . O . . . .|< 7 W #100 L9 6 |. O . O . . # O . . O O # # # . . . .| 6 B # 99 M10 5 |. . . O O O O . # # # O . # O . O . .| 5 W # 98 K12 4 |O O O # O # . . . # O O . # . O . . .| 4 B # 97 L11 3 |. O # # # O O O O # # O . . # # O O .| 3 W # 96 J10 2 |O # O O # # # . . . . . . . . . # . .| 2 B # 95 J11 1 |. # # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 1 W # 94 K11 A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T Game is titled: The 67th Honinbo Title Matches 2nd game Iyama Tengen Honinbo #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] this seems more reasonable #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] seems w looks how to sacrifice his M6 group for big points in upper left #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] b must connect under #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] again, I was too late.. #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] then w takes sente to attack i guess? #> Kibitz Quiller [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] D13 is now big #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] b has good aji with g11 #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] w thinks he can kill b D10 #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] w can't d12 because b has e12 #> Kibitz nel31 [16k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] Who is playing ? Mainichi against himslelf ? #> Kibitz page39 [ 2k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] lol #> Kibitz Quiller [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] h2 is sente against the corner #> Kibitz mitsun [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] d12 c12 d13 c13 seems like b will live #> Kibitz page39 [ 2k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] mainichi is a newspaper #> Kibitz Everlost [ 3k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] wow #> Kibitz Quiller [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] it means 'every day' #> #> Kibitz Mccallaway [ 2k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] Excuse me but who are the players? #> Game 140 (I): mainichi [ NR] vs mainichi [ NR] A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T H-cap 0 Komi 6.5 19 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 19 Captured by #: 1 18 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 18 Captured by O: 6 17 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 17 16 |. . . O . . . . . + . . . . . # . . .| 16 Wh Time 0:00 15 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 15 Bl Time 0:00 14 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 14 13 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 13 Last Move: K2 12 |. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .| 12 #105 # (Black) 11 |. . . # O O . . # O # . . . . . . . .| 11 10 |. . . # # # O O O # O # # . . + . . .| 10 W #104 H7 9 |. . . . . . # . O # O O . . . . . . .| 9 B #103 K7 8 |. O . . . # . # O # . . . # . # . . .| 8 W #102 J8 7 |O . O O . # O O # # . O . . O . . . .| 7 B #101 N10 6 |. O . O . . # O . . O O # # # . . . .| 6 W #100 L9 5 |. . . O O O O . # # # O . # O . O . .| 5 B # 99 M10 4 |O O O # O # . . . # O O . # . O . . .| 4 W # 98 K12 3 |. O # # # O O O O # # O . . # # O O .| 3 B # 97 L11 2>|O # O O # # # . .>#<. . . . . . # . .|< 2 W # 96 J10 1 |. # # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 1 B # 95 J11 A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T Game is titled: The 67th Honinbo Title Matches 2nd game Iyama Tengen Honinbo #> #> Kibitz nel31 [16k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] Thx #> Kibitz Mccallaway [ 2k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] Oh ok thx! #> #> Kibitz page39 [ 2k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] ok thanks #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] i wonder if w will h2 #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] it was too early, wasn;'t it? #> Kibitz mitsun [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] h2 g1 nothing #> Kibitz page39 [ 2k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] game title doesn't show Yamashita's name #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] or m3 #> Kibitz Quiller [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] h2 no longer kills th corner, b g1 is sente #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] but most likely d13 #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] o yea h2 no bueno anymore #> #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] I'm back, sorry #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] lost internet connection #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] @cornel, please explain b k2 #> Kibitz Quiller [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] w may look at o3 #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] was it aji-keshi? #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] this prevents disconnection #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] if w H2, b G1 #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] tough for w to kill e10 group as w d12- b e12.. what else for w ? #> #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] so b can still connect with H1 or M2 #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] this is why K2 and not L2 #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] w D13 maybe #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] that fight is extremely difficult #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] yea #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] b looks in good shape #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] g11 aji should be enough for b no ? #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] easy to say :) #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] well if i was b that's what i would say :) #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] :) #> #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] suddenly, w is in trouble #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] but why b needs k2 at all #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] i was way off think there was any type of semai there #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] w cannot cut it #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] to stay connected #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] b is finally getting paid for the ko loss #> Kibitz linuxer [ 8k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] I just came back from a long nap, and am stunned to see how B might have enjoyed the eye at L4. #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] ok my misatake I c now #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] b is completely connected #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] yes #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] that;s the good thing about K2 #> Kibitz mitsun [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] e13 too little? other moves look like overplays #> Kibitz Ashleyms19 [14k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] can't white just h2 to disconnect? #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] w must kill to stay in the game #> Kibitz linuxer [ 8k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] So then W is certainly dead in ther? #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] good luck capturing b left side #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] pretty much #> #> Kibitz linuxer [ 8k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] How do you pursue that? D13? #> Kibitz Marvin42 [ 1d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] If w kills, the game is also over ... #> Kibitz Nick8a [ 1k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] yea i would think d13 #> Kibitz Marvin42 [ 1d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] therefore, the only possibility for the game to reach move 200 seems that w somehow sells his m3 group expensively enough to stay in the game #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] the thing is, if w can kill g9 group, then very likely j11 can go out and capture k12 group #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] w D13 would be my choice #> Kibitz mitsun [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] d13 c13, then? #> Kibitz Marvin42 [ 1d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] nope .... D13 cant be good because it also was the first move that sprang to my mind :-) #> Kibitz Marvin42 [ 1d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] + #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] D13 C13 D14 #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] how about d13 - g11 ? #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] w H11 forced #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [140] then b can e12, etc. #> Game 140: mainichi vs mainichi has adjourned. #> Setting your '.' to Cornel #> *Cornel*: connection tourble #> Player: mainichi Game: go (1) Language: default Rating: 9p 0 Rated Games: 0 Rank: 9p 49 Wins: 0 Losses: 1 Last Access(GMT): (Not on) Tue May 29 07:16:36 2012 Last Access(local): (Not on) Tue May 29 16:16:36 2012 Address: info@pandanet.co.jp Country: Japan Community: - Reg date: Mon Jan 1 00:00:00 1900 Info: Defaults (help defs): time 90, size 19, byo-yomi time 10, byo-yomi stones 25 #> *Cornel*: w played E13 #> mainichi: Unknown command. #> Player: mainichi Game: go (1) Language: default Rating: 9p 0 Rated Games: 0 Rank: 9p 49 Wins: 0 Losses: 1 Idle Time: (On server) 3s Playing in game: 345 (I) Address: info@pandanet.co.jp Country: Japan Community: - Reg date: Mon Jan 1 00:00:00 1900 Info: Defaults (help defs): time 90, size 19, byo-yomi time 10, byo-yomi stones 25 #> Adding game to observation list. Game 345 (I): mainichi [ NR] vs mainichi [ NR] A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T H-cap 0 Komi 6.5 19 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 19 Captured by #: 1 18 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 18 Captured by O: 6 17 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 17 16 |. . . O . . . . . + . . . . . # . . .| 16 Wh Time 0:00 15 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 15 Bl Time 0:00 14 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 14 13>|. . . .>O<. . . . . . . . . . . . . .|<13 Last Move: E13 12 |. . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . .| 12 #106 O (White) 11 |. . . # O O . . # O # . . . . . . . .| 11 10 |. . . # # # O O O # O # # . . + . . .| 10 B #105 K2 9 |. . . . . . # . O # O O . . . . . . .| 9 W #104 H7 8 |. O . . . # . # O # . . . # . # . . .| 8 B #103 K7 7 |O . O O . # O O # # . O . . O . . . .| 7 W #102 J8 6 |. O . O . . # O . . O O # # # . . . .| 6 B #101 N10 5 |. . . O O O O . # # # O . # O . O . .| 5 W #100 L9 4 |O O O # O # . . . # O O . # . O . . .| 4 B # 99 M10 3 |. O # # # O O O O # # O . . # # O O .| 3 W # 98 K12 2 |O # O O # # # . . # . . . . . . # . .| 2 B # 97 L11 1 |. # # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 1 W # 96 J10 A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T Game is titled: The 67th Honinbo Title Matches 2nd game Iyama Tengen Honinbo #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] this is softer #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] but still, w will go for the kill #> [##] white name [ rk ] black name [ rk ] (Move size H Komi BY FR) (###) [345] mainichi [ 9p ] vs. mainichi [ 9p ] (106 19 0 6.5 0 TI) (1923) #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] test #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] do you read? #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] okay here is my question.. yes #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] @cornel yes I do #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] ok #> #> Kibitz gonzo99 [ NR ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] yes #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] how much time left for the players? #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] about 2 hours each #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] b D12 w D13 b C13 w C14 b B14 #> Kibitz chad [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] been away, what choices for B? #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] b C13 or C14 #> Kibitz chad [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] to kill bottom R? #> Kibitz s4444 [ 1k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] bottom R is alive #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] w with komi 30- b has 40+ #> #> Kibitz chad [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] S6 seems severe #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] now seems w doesn't have to kill b - just to earn 20+ points by aiming to kill it #> Kibitz asten [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] b D13 looks ok #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] and then exploit aji left from m9 stones to get a game in upper right #> Kibitz nicknick [ 2k ]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] but easier say then do. #> #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] b S6 is sente but not killing, right? #> Kibitz chad [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] ko from here #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] maybe so... #> Kibitz chad [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] http://www.peepo.com #> Kibitz chad [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] with hints, comments and maps as you play GO, 2dan - 26 kyu #> Game 345 (I): mainichi [ NR] vs mainichi [ NR] A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T H-cap 0 Komi 6.5 19 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 19 Captured by #: 1 18 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 18 Captured by O: 6 17 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 17 16 |. . . O . . . . . + . . . . . # . . .| 16 Wh Time 0:00 15 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 15 Bl Time 0:00 14 |. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 14 13 |. . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 13 Last Move: D12 12>|. . .>#<. . . . . O . . . . . . . . .|<12 #107 # (Black) 11 |. . . # O O . . # O # . . . . . . . .| 11 10 |. . . # # # O O O # O # # . . + . . .| 10 W #106 E13 9 |. . . . . . # . O # O O . . . . . . .| 9 B #105 K2 8 |. O . . . # . # O # . . . # . # . . .| 8 W #104 H7 7 |O . O O . # O O # # . O . . O . . . .| 7 B #103 K7 6 |. O . O . . # O . . O O # # # . . . .| 6 W #102 J8 5 |. . . O O O O . # # # O . # O . O . .| 5 B #101 N10 4 |O O O # O # . . . # O O . # . O . . .| 4 W #100 L9 3 |. O # # # O O O O # # O . . # # O O .| 3 B # 99 M10 2 |O # O O # # # . . # . . . . . . # . .| 2 W # 98 K12 1 |. # # . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 1 B # 97 L11 A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T Game is titled: The 67th Honinbo Title Matches 2nd game Iyama Tengen Honinbo #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] now i think w can live.. ko not matter #> Kibitz asten [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] F14 to fix the cut #> Kibitz chad [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] what matters is to read things out... #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] well that's what i try to do #> Kibitz chad [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] !! #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] as i read it w can live #> Kibitz chad [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] share #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] well long sequence but idea is after ko, w P4 is sente, second eye at Q5 #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] sorry.... disconnected again #> Kibitz jojoyo [ 4k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] you see what i mean? #> Kibitz Cornel [ 9d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] I've lost all the comments #> Kibitz chad [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] P4 is good, but may not be sente #> Kibitz zebulon [ 3k*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] so how many bet on w killing d12 group ? #> Kibitz chad [ 4d*]: Game mainichi vs mainichi [345] ie O2 then S2 #>