<> - Yes, that's the top four levels of domain. The exact IP number varies from time to time, as does the exact host name which contains the IP number coded within it. For example, at various times when he harassed me on IRC the host was exactly: >216-164-237-1.s1.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com >216-164-238-94.s348.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com >216-164-229-144.s398.tnt8.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com >216-164-230-44.s44.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com One harassing e-mail to my Yahoo account shows: >Received: from smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.107) by ... >Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.62]) by ... >Received: from 216-164-224-4.s4.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.224.4] helo=erols.com) by ... So apparently on IRC he runs mirc or somesuch on his PC to connect directly via PPP and IP to superchat.org, whereas for e-mail he uploads to smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net which forwards it to a main hub before finally delivering to Yahoo. - <> - Apparently neotrace can't look up a domain, but needs some exact host name or IP number, sigh. Try on any of the host names I listed above. nslookup shows for example: >*** ... can't find 216-164-237-1.s1.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com: Non-existent host/domain but guessing the IP number is the set of four numbers 216.164.237.1 apparently encoded in the host name, nslookup says: >Name: c3-0.sfpo-ubr3.sfrn-sfpo.ca.cable.rcn.net And traceroute to 216.164.237.1 shows: >4 erols-gate-100Mbps.above.net (209.249.140.21) 14.383 ms 4.149 ms 3.872 ms >5 poet2-0.core3.sfrn.ca.rcn.net (207.172.19.138) 5.154 ms 15.099 ms 19.919 ms >6 ge1-0-0.gw2.sfrn.ca.rcn.net (208.59.255.2) 71.889 ms ge5-0-0.gw2.sfrn.ca.rcn.net (208.59.255.23) 107.273 ms 93.507 ms >7 * * * >8 *^C (it was obviously hung because 216.164.237.1 isn't online currently, so I aborted at that point) Spamcop gives me: >216-164-237-1.s1.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com = Cannot find master >nslookup 216.164.237.1 = c3-0.sfpo-ubr3.sfrn-sfpo.ca.cable.rcn.net > Found abuse address:abuse@rcn.com >nslookup 208.59.255.2 = ge1-0-0.gw2.sfrn.ca.rcn.net > Found abuse address:abuse@rcn.com >nslookup 207.172.4.107 = smtp-hub.mrf.mail.rcn.net > Found abuse address:abuse@rcn.com i.e. all the various addresses, except those which don't currently exist in DNS, including the last relay site shown by TraceRoute, yield a consistent where-to-complain address from SpamCop. So full-header -> TraceRoute -> SpamCop seems to be a winning pipeline for learning where to complain.